Site layout,Frames.....aaarrrrgggg......

[EagleEye SSA]

How Would I get a frames st up w/ 20% up top and 80% down below?And if possible 15% on the left side?

Could someone post the full code?

[Josh]

<frameset cols=15%,*>
<frame src="A.html">
<frameset rows=20%,*>
<frame src="B.html">
<frame src="C.html">
</frameset>
</frameset>


HTH:D

[EagleEye SSA]

Thanks!

[Josh]

If you have problem with html tags goto this site.
http://www.ncdesign.org/html/index.htm

[HZR]

Frames are evil though.

[Josh]

Why do you think so?:eek:

[HZR]

We had this topic in another forum I'm a member of.
It's hard to index sites that uses frames and and I don't like that the top URL is static.

[HZR]

Yea, that's what I meant with static URL:)

[jamesdoz]

Frames ARE evil. But is there a way to easily include navigation when your host won't do Server Side Includes? Most of my sites are ASP (so I can use SSI) but there's one that won't support it. Is there a workaround?

[BoR|S]

If webspace is not a critical problem, use simple graphics and you won't need to use frames...

[jamesdoz]

I'm just lazy and I don't like to have to change 30 pages just because the navigation menu's a bit different. (I KNOW it only takes a few minutes but I am that lazy)

If you use an image you'd still have to change every page wouldn't you?

[jamesdoz]

I would, but this one host doesn't seem to support SSI. (Unless I'm doing it wrong)

If there isn't another way it's back to cut'n'paste :-(

[BoR|S]

Originally posted by jamesdoz
Frames ARE evil. But is there a way to easily include navigation when your host won't do Server Side Includes? Most of my sites are ASP (so I can use SSI) but there's one that won't support it. Is there a workaround?

Take a look at this post... =)

[Ghandi Eximius]

I tend to not like frames...but oddly enough my website is jam packed full of 'em; as a general rule of thumb...keep thing simple, if frames help this, use frames, if frames are detramental, steer clear of 'em

(man I love web design)

[Orange]

<Iframe></iframe>

Nothing like a floating frame to save the day

[jamesdoz]

WHat browsers would that work with?

[Orange]

it works in IE Netscape and Opera. I have tested in those. But i think it is supported by most browsers now.

You can find out at www.w3c.org if you need more info

[scotttyz]

You can use a javascript file to write all of your navagation scripts.

ie.

in web page:
<SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript" SRC="SCRIPT NAME.js">footeroi()</SCRIPT>

in external srcipt page:

<!-- Write Footer OI
function footeroi(){
document.write("<a href='index.html'>Home</a> ~ <a href='indoff.html'>About Indoff</a> ")
}
// -->


The one thing to be absolutely sure of is you DO NOT use any double quotes " in the external file except for the opening and closing, convert all other quotes to single '

The orange text being the navagation information.

The only caution is search engines, they love old fashioned text and image links. This really works, I borrowed it from Bryan at http://www.49ersparadise.cjb.net, he uses it to write the navagation at the bottom of the home page

[weezer YenSid]

For my personal site, every page has a global JavaScript file included, as well as a JS variable that I called "relPath". Any URLs that are written by the included JS file use the relPath variable in front of the URL (unless they're off-site).

So if I have a page at:
www.blah.com/directory1/blahness.html

and my global script is at:
www.blah.com/script.js

I just have to make sure that the link to the script from the page is correct, and then set relPath to "../" (back one directory). Actually, in the latest version of my site, the link to the script in the first place is also part of a script, and that uses the relPath variable as well, so the only thing I have to change is the relPath variable (and the page title, content, and some other custom vars I use, but those don't have anything to do with navigation).

Anyways... the reason I like to use this rather than SSI is because it allows me to easily view and navigate my pages locally as well.

I hope the description wasn't too confusing, but if it was, you can wade around in the code muckiness of my site here:
http://yensid.freeyellow.com/

It'll probably just confuse you more.

If you don't want to get into JavaScript... I'd just say go ahead and use frames or get a new host.

[DCElliott]

I use an incredible texteditor called http://www.notetab.com/banners/ntbani.gif (http://www.notetab.com/) that is programmable. I have developed small programs (called clips) that create static pages that are easily updated. For example - a 4 part page:
Banner | What's new | Nav | Content. Only the content changes from page to page. I have a program that simply stiches together a list of content pages with text files representing other parts. The clip syntax is a bit weird, but is OK once you get the hang of it. For example the two lines here insert two DIVs for the left (my What's New) and the right (my Nav menu) sides of my page. I just edit left.txt and right.txt, hit a button, and all new pages are generated. ^!InsertFile ^%p_PWD%LEFT.txt
^!InsertFile ^%p_PWD%RIGHT.txt

NoteTab also has global disk search and replace that allows you to do updates (for example a changed URL) across your whole site. BEST OF ALL ITS FREE for the 99% functional Lite version (it lacks only dictionary support and a couple of complex programming commands you are likely never going to use) It comes with extensive Clip libraries that insert HTML code and will automate tasks such as changing tag styles, converting to xhtml format, etc. It is very complementary to the functions of 1st Page. I couldn't do without either program.

DE

PS: I think frames are evil, too. (Although iframes are tolerable.)