FP Clones

[azlatin2000]

I found yet another clone of first page.

http://download.com.com/3000-2048-10218587.html?tag=sptlt

Plus there is the codebuilders one.

Lets See how many clones that are updated we can find.

[DCElliott]

I've tried it. It barks.

DE

[Daybreak_0]

Personally I think codebuilders now has control of the FP software.

As you will be aware Chris (codebuilders) and Napoleon (evrsoft) built construction98 (or whatever it was) together. they then went their separate ways after Uni.

Chris (developer) was suprised when he saw 1st page a similar product to construction98 and once he found out Napoleon wrote it, I bet he checked whether it contained any code written inside construction98.

About same time Napoleon went quiet, a little bit later codebuilders released their HTML builder, a clone of 1st page.

AND that HTML builder had the same text wrapping bug that 1st page had. Although theirs is now fixed.

My conclusion is

1) Chris took some legal action against Napoleon (not necessarily in court) and Napoleon was forced to share the software.

2) either
A) Napoleon is restricted from ever doing any more work on 1st Page, but is still earning income from hits on his site.
B) Napoleon is restricted from doing any more work on 1st Page for a specified Time Period.

Option B should have been the outcome, but I think it is option A. Napoleon if you read this and it is option A - take him to court and get changed - it is commercially the fairer option ( Get a legal opinion).

3) Napoleon has been silenced legally for 2 very good reasons -
A) Chris would not want to get a bad rep.
B) If option B in 2 above was the outcome, Chris would want a head start.


Regards
Day

[George Cee]

i dont think the banner ads from evrsoft.com are really bringing him a noticable profit, but i could be wrong, either way, faking a couple more screenshots wouldnt be soo hard. what gives, nappy?

[AMP]

Check out HTMLPad (http://www.blumentals.net/htmlpad/). It misses so many of the GUI features that make 1stPage so special, but it is the closest real "competitor" to 1stPage you are likely to find.

It is NOT freeware however but is reasonably priced at $26 or $39.

[GrimReaper2]

Hi All,

I just love this post, it's like that movie "Conspiracy Theory". Y'all just won't give up will you?

Hey admin, why dont you make a whole section of Chris & Napoleon conspiracy theories it would be a great read!

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Personally I think codebuilders now has control of the FP software.

As you will be aware Chris (codebuilders) and Napoleon (evrsoft) built construction98 (or whatever it was) together. they then went their separate ways after Uni.

Chris (developer) was suprised when he saw 1st page a similar product to construction98 and once he found out Napoleon wrote it, I bet he checked whether it contained any code written inside construction98.

About same time Napoleon went quiet, a little bit later codebuilders released their HTML builder, a clone of 1st page.

AND that HTML builder had the same text wrapping bug that 1st page had. Although theirs is now fixed.

My conclusion is

1) Chris took some legal action against Napoleon (not necessarily in court) and Napoleon was forced to share the software.

2) either
A) Napoleon is restricted from ever doing any more work on 1st Page, but is still earning income from hits on his site.
B) Napoleon is restricted from doing any more work on 1st Page for a specified Time Period.

Option B should have been the outcome, but I think it is option A. Napoleon if you read this and it is option A - take him to court and get changed - it is commercially the fairer option ( Get a legal opinion).

3) Napoleon has been silenced legally for 2 very good reasons -
A) Chris would not want to get a bad rep.
B) If option B in 2 above was the outcome, Chris would want a head start.
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Chris.

[Terminator1138]

Just a copied post, and no comments from you directly? Since you are the clone or should I say competition of Code builders, then maybe you can shed some light on the subject. I personally don't think we need to bury this into the ground any deeper than six feet. Maybe its just that this forum has a good community base and we try to help in all aspects without regards to what software they use.

[GrimReaper2]

Why should I comment? anything I say on here simply ends up as someone elses conspiracy post. An example being above. The whole story was posted on here at one time although I believe it has since been removed by Nap or DBindel?.

I would add though, that if you have any constructive questions I'm happy to answer them for you, but simply don't ask "Where is FP2004". My response to it is "It exists, I have seen it, and the rest I don't know".

Chris.

[Terminator1138]

Why should I comment? anything I say on here simply ends up as someone elses conspiracy post. An example being above. The whole story was posted on here at one time although I believe it has since been removed by Nap or DBindel?.

I just wanted to say that we all know about the heated debate, but I for one just look for contributers, I think DB was not the one who deleted since he was striped of this power. My point is that you posted in a section about FP clones and just stated you loved the way this has been going on and thus reminded us of the fact that there have been problems. Stating this is a forum of education, not bashing a particular piece of software.

[GrimReaper2]

I simply think it is hilarious that you all find it so convenient to blame myself simply because your beloved editor is not available to you. I wasn't "bashing" software, I was commenting on how funny the whole situation is from my point of view.

Ever walked a mile in someone elses shoes?

[Terminator1138]

I know some have continued to comment about this and we try to discourage it, but this post started out about clones of FP long time ago. With no answers, some have to assume and you know what that gets us when you assume. I for one use FP and like it, its not the only one I use, and it will not be the last. I can understand where you are coming from Chris and I cannot begin to understand the situation and its none of my business. As you can see by my posts, I have tried to discourage the bashing, but some might take your first post the wrong way like I have when you stated this:
I just love this post, it's like that movie "Conspiracy Theory".
and this
Hey admin, why dont you make a whole section of Chris & Napoleon conspiracy theories it would be a great read!
The main comment was not against Evrsoft on the clone section, but an interesting find by many and these let to questions that were never answered.

[Terminator1138]

No one has blamed you BTW. I have never seen it stated that Chris of codebuilders is the fault, but some theorize that since you and he developed Contruction98. Since you also now have a software, yet updated, some still find it interesting.

[Daybreak_0]

I originally wrote the above in another thread, not to fuel the fire, but to stop the verbal bashing of Napoleon.

It was a theory that fitted in with all the facts, and designed to make people think, instead of just criticizing. Nobody knows the whole story except Nap and according to the theory Chris, and it is not up to us to criticize just because we do not know.

It is definitely not a criticism of Chris.

"It exists, I have seen it, and the rest I don't know".

Chris.

Excellent

Regards
Day

[AMP]

OK, back to the subject of the post... :) I finally broke down, all hopes for a new 1stPage dashed upon the rocks of a hope too long deferred, and bought AceHTML. The new version 6 is really superb, especially considering that it is only $35 if you purchase it now before it is officially released (still time to make your requests known!). The only problem I've seen with it so far is that the Preview window refresh doesn't always update with your code edits, (but clicking the "Start Internal Browser" button does), and the fact that it is based upon a set period of time instead of upon changes in the code, as in 1stPage. Why is it that all the 'clones' have coded their programs this way? It seems stupid to waste resources updating a window for any other reason than a change in the code.

[Terminator1138]

Sorry, Day, was not saying anything about your post, but Grim stated it over again and in a sense he (what seemed to be) poking at you.