Evrsoft First Page 2006 Beta Preview

[Admin]

First Page 2006 BETA PREVIEW is currently available for download from the downloads section. -- http://www.evrsoft.com/download.shtml

To check out 2006 features and product details, visit: http://www.evrsoft.com/1stpage3.shtml

Please let me know what you think of this new release, I would appreciate any feedback, whether good or bad!

Thank you!

[dabbler]

Wow! Great news!

[PsychoticDude85]

Amazing! Is there any specific place you would like feedback when it is released?

[marksmind]

Wonderful, I’m really excited and ready for this download. :hellother

[Terminator1138]

Wow, I too look forward to the beta release :)
Always a pleasure to read about an update on your progress....

and nice new avatar too boot :)

[hexplor]

OMG!! New 1stpage is coming. That's great news guys!! I can't wait to test this new relase.

[ANDREW_H]

Fabulous News... I've been waiting for years to see a new version and I kept the faith.
Now that the moment is nearly here I can't wait to get my eager mits on the beta.

BTW... I'm a first time poster, but long time user. I've been using FirstPage 2000 since it's first release and I'm still using it today.

[Mr Stilts]

wow...

wait lemme try again...

WOW!

I like all the fancy soundin' stuff that sounds like it should be expensive...

[MikeyF]

Just downloaded it and I will be using it when I get home tonight.

:love: :love:

Thanks Admin for the new 1st page.

:joy:

[WimJ]

Thanks Napoleon,

congratulations with the birth of the baby! I am downloading right now and should I find something, I'll let you know, If it is as good as I hope it will be, and I have worked with 1stPage for many years now, I will be a happy man.

WimJ
http://www.hetbestenieuws.nl

[PsychoticDude85]

First of all very nice, a few little things that annoy however:

The default generated pages are not valid, while I sympathise that encoding varies from person to person I think it would be better set as a default with the ability to change it, and the layout of the code was nowhere near as functional as 2000 on startup.

The design mode to be honest I abhore, I opened one of my layouts in it returned to code and found my well laid out all no-caps tags now in dissaray in allcaps and in some cases now bearing errors they had not previously had. But that being said the split-screen mode does not do this and allows for easier navigation of the code while inputing text.

The layout in general I like, the smoothness is nice, but it does look a tad pixelated on some of the icons, especially on rollover.

In conclusion a definate improvement, though retaining some problems and gaining some new ones, the overall new version is a vast improvement though, I can stick to split-screen and preview.

[Admin]

Appreciate the feedback.

The design mode to be honest I abhore, I opened one of my layouts in it returned to code and found my well laid out all no-caps tags now in dissaray in allcaps and in some cases now bearing errors they had not previously had. But that being said the split-screen mode does not do this and allows for easier navigation of the code while inputing text.

The design mode is designed for buddy webmasters who need a way to quickly create pages, table layouts, etc. The design mode is typical of a WYSIWYG engine and as it is powered and created by Microsoft, we really don't have control over it. Plain and simple, you should not use it if you don't like WYSIWYG editors. :)



The layout in general I like, the smoothness is nice, but it does look a tad pixelated on some of the icons, especially on rollover.

Where did you find this, Rollover on ??



The default generated pages are not valid, while I sympathise that encoding varies from person to person I think it would be better set as a default with the ability to change it, and the layout of the code was nowhere near as functional as 2000 on startup.

I'm not following you there, what do you mean by saying that the default generated pages are not valid? When the start manager appears you can choose from different HTML languages, e.tc HTML 4 Strict, transititonal, XHTML, etc. In 2000, there wasn't many document choices except the default HTML 4 document, now you can choose from various doctypes... Is this what you are referring to?

[PsychoticDude85]

Yes, it is an improvement, but It does mean that for new layouts I need to make a custom XHTML Strict template whereas otherwise I would be able to use the default, the default XHTML Strict lacks the lang attribute (not an error but note-worthy), has no character encoding (I explained my view on this previously), and comes out in about three lines and tagged in all-caps, which again is not the error but is hardly semantic.

[Admin]

Right, I'll note that down, but for now you can create a custom XHTML template as you have mentioned. To define it as the default template, just open Start Manager -> Goto "Others" folder to find your custom created template, right click and select "As as Default Template". That will make FirstPage use that template as the default template when creating new documents. :)

Apologies to PsychoticDude85, I accidently edited your reply by mistake, [thought I clicked on "Quote", but I had clicked on "Edit" instead]. Please feel free to re-edit that post.

[Mr Stilts]

Not much time to check through it all before work but was playing with the image thumbnail generator thing and found some things.

When you pick a thumbnail size (aside from 100 x 100) it returns code with a 0 height and width attribute. Picking the 100 x 100 option returns the full size image...

Also there is a great amount of flickering in the source veiw when the mouse is moved around, all the text seems to flash a little bit kinda like how i've seen some programs made in java do...

Also, between the design and source veiw, therer seems to be the word wrap problem though it doesn't happen between source and preveiw...

Will check out some more tomorrow night.

Thanks again for all the hardwork and patience...

P.S. After beta, do you think you could include something to clean the coffee out of keyboards? No? OK well it was worth a shot..

[Tarmithius]

For XHMTL some of the buttons you have coded are not valid either. The <br> should be <br />. All tags that have no closing tag should be like that. the image tag, the horizontal rule, etc...

[AMP]

HOT DOG!!!! I feel like I've awakened from a never-ending upgrade rumor nightmare! This is so cool! The new version looks great but the Side Panel's Tabs get too scrunched when the panel is sized to a reasonable width. Also where's the Favorites Folders button? Looking forward to checking this goodie out!

[WimJ]

It is awesome! Super!!!

One thing though: while working in the source, the text flickers when you hit a key or move the mouse. Is that because it is bit slow? When I type text, the letters that are visible are two or three letter behind what I type.

I am working with XP-SP2 on a PC with a 2.4 GHz processor and 512MB RAM.

[Admin]

I'll have a look into the flickering issue but generally when you move the cursor, a thousand things happen behind the back, it might just be as simple as disabling the screen updates until all the routines have been processed.

But thanks for all your comments and feedback, we're noting it all down and fixing/adding features mentioned here for the final release. :hehe:

[Terminator1138]

Since some bugs were coming in and some were posting in that forum I thought It would be wise to start a thread there. Its stickied and can easily be found. Perhaps an official tracker like phpbugs from sourceforge can be used also? Anyway, hope you don't mind admin, thought it would be beneficial to you to find them easier. :)

[WimJ]

It is awesome! Super!!!

One thing though: while working in the source, the text flickers when you hit a key or move the mouse. Is that because it is bit slow? When I type text, the letters that are visible are two or three letter behind what I type.

I am working with XP-SP2 on a PC with a 2.4 GHz processor and 512MB RAM.

I noticed that while working in "design" mode, the flickering and delay do not appear. Also: when in "full screen" the flickering is a bit less than when in the smaller screen.

[DanThMan]

I will be the first disbeliever..
Will there ever be a First Page 2012??? :hahaha:
Just kidding, I'll guess it feels good now admin!!
Even I had my doubts about this one..
Once again it seems that you've delivered one great piece of software!

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[swedishChris]

Hi there! I downloaded the 1stpage 2006 and so far i like it pretty well, however i have a question and i'm not sure if this is relevant here, but it's linked to a suggestion for the editor so here we go: What is the Javascript object tree for and is there or will there be a javascript editor in 1stpage 2006? I'd like to suggest that the Javascript sub menu would contain additional items with sub menus, such as "statements", "loops", "arrays" and so on and under those you would have "if" statements, "if ... else" statements, "for" loops and so forth. I've seen an editor that works like that and it's good to have this feature available to aid the scripting. Maybe it's already there and i just haven't found it, and if so, could someone kindly point it out to me?
Thanks much!
--
/Krister

[WimJ]

Admin,

I've got a new error.
When hitting the Font Tag Editor button, I get this errormessage. Hitting O.K. closes the program...

Error: Access violation at 0x0077D0B3(tried to read from 0x56C4CB4B), program terminated.

Different attempts give different numbers in the error message.

[FuzzyJJ]

Hi!

Very glad the new version is there. It's looking good! :crazy:

However I did notice when I display the project manager and try to add files to the project, the vertical scrollbar appears as though a list is loaded, but no file names appear.

A nice to have for the project manager is to have the ability to add an entire directory including subdirectories at once (and show these subdirs as folders in the project manager as well)

I'll keep on using it: the preview function is awesome.

Any details yet about whether there will be a pro version and a lite version? And what the differences are? And what it costs.....??

[PsychoticDude85]

...and if so whether the active forum members get a free activation code?

haha, no joking :P

[Tyger]

Do I report the bugs for the 2006 here?

[Tyger]

Never mind. Found them!

[rkstevens]

The design mode is designed for buddy webmasters who need a way to quickly create pages, table layouts, etc. The design mode is typical of a WYSIWYG engine and as it is powered and created by Microsoft, we really don't have control over it. Plain and simple, you should not use it if you don't like WYSIWYG editors. :)


I'm not following you there, what do you mean by saying that the default generated pages are not valid? When the start manager appears you can choose from different HTML languages, e.tc HTML 4 Strict, transititonal, XHTML, etc. In 2000, there wasn't many document choices except the default HTML 4 document, now you can choose from various doctypes... Is this what you are referring to?

I am taking pages that I previously coded that are valid, loading them, and they are instantly becoming invalid. Is this a direct result of the WYSIWYG engine? Is there a reason the visual source engine does not recognize the external .css file coded on the page? If I keep the visual source engine turned off will it not change my code?

[ModemGuru]

Speechless. Absolutely Speechless. I've played with it some and though I had some worries before I ran it (that it wouldn't "feel" like 1stpage), I was wrong. It feeles EXACTLY like the last version, but with many beautiful updates. I am very happy.

:joy:

[bhoc]

My initial impressions of First Page 2006 are very good. One small things I have found, however:

I always hand-code but like WYSIWYG for editing. I have a CSS page with a lot of absolute positioned elements, using DIV tags for the positioning. Rather than typing and re-typing in absolute position numbers, I like WYSIWYG (aka Design Mode) to fine-tune element placement.

When I click on an DIV element which contains text, I can move it ok (although the program appears to be in the "snap to grid" mode at start up even if the button is not "depressed." If I click on the button to turn on the mode and then again to turn it off, it works perfectly.)

However, I also have a number of images which I placed inside DIV elements to overcome deficiencies in some early browers, which did not permit absolute positioning of images.

I cannot drag these images around even though the arrow cursor shows. As soon as I try to drag one of these elements, the cursor changes to a circle with a diagonal line.

[Thanateros]

I have downloaded the beta and like it a lot.

I have had only one issue with it so far. When I open any existing file, click on the "Design" button, after a few seconds the view blanks out and the "Source" view is wiped of all code and changed to the following:

?<HTML><HEAD>
<META content="Evrsoft First Page" name=GENERATOR></HEAD>
<BODY></BODY></HTML>

[ImmerDO]

First of all Thank you very much for 1stPage2000 !
And I think, that 1stPage2006 will be a great product, too!

I already installed the Beta and have rewritten part of my documentation as a test in practice.
The split source view is my favourite but the flickering of the source text is making me kind of seasick ...
Just 10 minutes ago, 1stPage 2006 was killed by my task manager (and me). I had 2 processes in the task manger window named 1stpage.exe and one of them took 80% of my CPU while the other consumed the rest :-( This is when a lost my courage, and the last quater of my work :-)
Anyway .. the program can be used and it looks fine at first sight.
The functions are similar to my coffeecup editor, so there is not much to say on "usabilty" for me.
Because of not having had too much time up to now, I can't tell you details ... but I will go on using the Beta and see (and write it down) if I find some interesting bugs (or missing features)

Again .. thanks a lot for 1stPage2000 and 2006
I think it will become a very good product.

[swedishChris]

One shortcut key that might be usefull, at least for me, who don't use the mouse to navigate around would be one that switched between design and source mode while in split-screen mode. Isn't it like this that you can write either in design- or in code view and it automagically updates the other view when split-screen view is chosen? If so as i said, a shortcut key to switch between the views would be great. If such a key already exists i'd be greatful if someone pointed it out for me.
Thanks!
--
/Krister

[davews]

Just found 1stPage 2006. I am a long time user of Composer and then NVU, but was looking for something non-WYSIWYG which didn't mangle my code!

The website indicates that this version needs Windows ME or above. I am using 98SE and can confirm it works just fine as far as I can see on this.

I have a lot to learn having just arrived, but initial use shows it to be a great application.

Dave

[Daybreak_0]

Thank you Napoleon

Proceeding to bug page to put in my list

Day

[marksmind]

The website indicates that this version needs Windows ME or above. I am using 98SE and can confirm it works just fine as far as I can see on this.

I use Win 98SE as well and and don't seem to be having any issues because of it. :)

Thank you,
Mark

[florin]

It's seems that works fine. Only Wrap don't stay set after closing 1st Page. It will be nice if it has it's own PHP engine.
How expansive is 1st Page 2006?

[stefan_pl]

i thought new version would be great but ... i can't install it...
firsly i get :
http://www.szprotawa.org/bug/Image4.jpg
then
http://www.szprotawa.org/bug/Image5.jpg
installation ends
and when i try to run program i get this
http://www.szprotawa.org/bug/Image6.jpg
what the ... ?? any ideas i run under windows2000
if the images won't work i can send them to email just let me know

[Cory B]

Have been anxioulsy following the development of this program for some time and was very excited to successfully download and install without a hitch.

Then the joy disappeared.

After getting the splash screen and then the notice about this being ß software, up popped the notification that a "Debugger detected... WinNT had found WinIce/SoftIce".

I am running WinXP Pro Sp2, up to date with all security releases.

I am not nor ever have run any cracking solftware on this machine. Do not use any cheats or such.

How can I run this program.

Thanx

[pconrad]

At first glance it looks good. I would like to see tighter integration with ftp though. My current editor lets me open files on an ftp site just like they were local.

[Ashiro]

PHP Tags

The insertion of PHP tags is currently the older version tags.

It would be better to use the new global variables like: $_SESSION[], $_GET[], $_POST[], etc.

[Ashiro]

I wouldn't pay for this. In 2002 it would have been a good application but its behind its time and its features are generally messy and uncoordinated.

Pure editing of HTML alone is very rare in industry or even personal use. Its only done when in combination with scripting languages such as PHP, ASP, Coldfusion, etc. Although it has some features for these languages it has stuck too close to its past as a HTML editor. Which as I say, is now relatively obsolete.

The 'advacned features' in this app are nothing more than nice gimmicks with little real cohesive functional value.

You will have an ardent following of core fans and if your marketing is good you'll manage to sell a block of the product but as far as I can see its dead before its started.

[Daybreak_0]

I wouldn't pay for this. In 2002 it would have been a good application but its behind its time and its features are generally messy and uncoordinated.

Pure editing of HTML alone is very rare in industry or even personal use. Its only done when in combination with scripting languages such as PHP, ASP, Coldfusion, etc. Although it has some features for these languages it has stuck too close to its past as a HTML editor. Which as I say, is now relatively obsolete.

The 'advacned features' in this app are nothing more than nice gimmicks with little real cohesive functional value.

You will have an ardent following of core fans and if your marketing is good you'll manage to sell a block of the product but as far as I can see its dead before its started.



Ashiro - what a negative person you are - you have made two posts and you come up with this. You don't let other people make up their own mind, and haven't learnt that there are many out there that don't code like you do.

yeah yeah - you will come back and post how you are entitled to an opinion, and then act all self righteous. Didn't your mother ever teach you "if you can't say something nice, then don't say anything at all"

The easiest thing in the world, when you don't like something, is to jump on the criticism bandwagon, than to actually make suggestions on how it could be fixed

and then in your last sentence you cover yourself, just in case others do like the product and you may be proved wrong, and then you add the famous BUT so your comments are covered in the other direction. Either way whatever happens you can now come back and say "See I Was Right"


Day

[Unleashed2k]

It would be cracked in no time

[SundayNiagara]

Amazing! People ripping FP2006 and it's still in beta. Please GIVE IT A CHANCE. FP2k blows Front Page to smithereens and I have tried other editors and they don't even come close.
Mark

[Terminator1138]

Unleashed2K-cracked...its a free download!

@Ashiro-a bit negative indeed....do you know of a better one? Yes its still in beta and its best to give good feedback so it can be improved....don't jump down the throat instead give some useful feedback and give some details...

[davews]

I have seen nowhere saying whether it will be free or not when it goes final, like 1st Page 2000 is. Has any decision been made what happens when this version expires at the end of the year?

[Flying Dutchman]

Just be patient I guess.

Considering the development time of this beta release, the 'final' may be baptised 1st Page 2008.

But, seriously, let these guys debug it properly first.

Personaly I think it a pitty that their feedback on our bug reports and suggestions is very minimal; quick and grateful feedback will stimulate further bug finding and reporting!

[Admin]

I appreciate all the feedback, comments and bug reports that everyone here has taken their time out to post. Although I may not reply to some of your posts, do understand that I read every thread and we do note down all bug issues and feedback ideas which we will hopefully implement.

Thanks once again!

[Bob]

Admin, would it not be possible to get a bugtacker in place? Something like Bugzilla? that way we can track and see the progress of the beta and how the bugs are coming along. Also no doubt within the month there will be bitching posts about when is this going Gold? etc At least with a ticketing system everyone can contribute and this board can be free'd of bug posts.

[florin]

I set 1stPage 2006 to create a new document at start. If I open an old one, when I closed it it's closing the new document too if it's not saved. I don't have this problem in 1stPage 2000.

[Flying Dutchman]

Seems a GOOD idea to me!

[Terminator1138]

Admin, would it not be possible to get a bugtacker in place? Something like Bugzilla? that way we can track and see the progress of the beta and how the bugs are coming along. Also no doubt within the month there will be bitching posts about when is this going Gold? etc At least with a ticketing system everyone can contribute and this board can be free'd of bug posts.
I suggested phpBug or similar before, I think BugZilla is awesome, but don't you need root access? Not sure on that one, but good suggestions non the less :)

[Bob]

In all honesty a blog would even be good. I think just some kind of communication tool is needed regarding the development phase into Release candiate then gold. I've been a harsh in my posts in the past, and so have others, but this has all been from a lack of information. By being more open on development it could change peoples perspective of the product and team

[Gideon]

Ive just downloaded and will have a good look next week.

Thanks very much for this.

Incidently, there has been much talk about how long this release took to finally see the light of day. True enough. But I am also a user of phpBB's forum software and everyone there are also wringing their hands waiting for version 3. Seems to me like everyone has the same problem.

Anyways, thanks ...

[rwishlaw]

First, thank you for making the Find & Replace Text dialog modeless.

I would like to suggest that a Find Next button be placed on the Find & Replace Text dialog. Look at the Replace dialog on Notepad for an example.

Thank you

Robert Wishlaw

[rwishlaw]

Also, IMHO, the best Search and Replace dialog is in Jen's File Editor, available at

http://home.arcor.de/jensaltmann/JFE/jfe_eng.htm

which includes an optional "Take over selected text" checkbox which allows text being highlighted in the main document to be automatically pasted into the last active edit control on the Search and Replace dialog. This is very handy. Eliminates the cut and paste step.

Robert Wishlaw

[Shaun Lyon]

Hi Admin... I'm so excited, can't wait to start using FP 2006. I stopped a while back because of the word wrap thing (which was so frustrating).

Three quick things for your info:

The flickering screen, is there any way to stop it? Whenever I move my mouse, the screen flickers. I turned the automatic preview window at the bottom off, but it still does it. Not an enormous deal, but distracting enough to make it an issue.

In the version I'm using, in the Edit menu, Word Wrap is spelled "Word Wap".

Finally, apostrophes seem to change the color of the text after them, as if they're denoting commands within statements. If I remove it and retype, the apostrophe is slightly different and the color scheme is fine. Just thought I'd mention it.

[tisource]

This is going to be shareware!? What a disappointment... :hmmmm:

I just downloaded and installed FP 2006, and although I think it is an improvement over 2000, I don't think the improvements justify any cost. Those already familiar with 2000 won't feel any cost is worth the upgrade to 2006.

I think 2000 was far ahead of its time. 2006 is so long in coming, however, that I don't think its as fancy among today's editors as 2000 was 6 years ago.

I'm happy to see the software progress, and I can understand maintaining a free version is difficult, but if it is shareware, I won't be using it. I'll stick with Quanta on Linux/KDE.

[Terminator1138]

@tisource.....well not word as of yet is made on wether its shareware etc......the last one was free so perhaps this one will be also?

For all others:....its beta version and I'm thinking admin released it a bit early still to please everyone here. Yes there are a few mistakes...but I'm sure he is working on them :)

[Gideon]

When I attempt to preview in Firefox I get the error message:

Mozilla control missing. You must install Mozilla to use it as a preview engine.

Well, Firefox is my defalt browser and the path that I put in the ‘edit browser list’ was:
C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe

So I think I got it right. Must be a little bugly. :tongue:

[ANDREW_H]

If by previewing in FireFox you mean previewing in the internal redering engine or via the preview tab, the fact that you have FireFox install and have pointed to it has nothing to do with this problem. You need to download and install the Mozilla ActiveX Control.
Do a Google Search for Mozilla Control. This should provide you with a download location.

[Patrick Keogh]

The "Upload" capability is one area where improvement is required.
To upload my documents I end up having to use commands like:
pscp "c:\Program Files\Evrsoft First Page 2006\Projects\Rainfall\*.php" patrick@www.xxx.yyy.zzz:/var/www/rainfall
because my server won't allow FTP (because I don't want it to).
So some way of defining the command that will upload a file rather than just assuming that it can be done with FTP would be useful.

[Gideon]

Thanks Andrew. :smack:

[loren]

Lucky me,

I was browsing my computer and went into the setup folder and was just checking out all my setups I have, low-and-behold 1st page was in there and I was like, Hey, why not check out the site again? See if anything's really changed (no offence, but the progress has never really been revealed to the public until now)

Lucky me I came within a few hours I believe of the new Beta being released and downloadable,

As for being a commercial solution, 1stpage appears to be a very well and complete piece of software, however my development has changed and I'm stuck to NuSphere's PhpED, Hmmmh, I wonder if 1st Page could execute php scripts as a server without apache ;) *wink, wink*

Anyways, congragulations on the new Beta Release, Hats off and grab a bottle of champaign,

BTW: From the small glimpse I saw of it, I was very impressed, and I might be moved to make the switch of my favorite Editors again, this time coming back of course, (oh wait, isn't that treason?) =D

Anyways, Congrats, and I most deffinatly will be watching the progress of the editor (those two year old topics still hovering at the top of some of the forums were starting to scare me)

Regards,

~ Loren

[ruth]

I do not have the vocabulary to express how ecstatic I am :weee: :love: :crazy: I absolutely love this. I'm not an advanced webpage designer and I haven't run into any problems/bugs yet with what I use.

It seems to work fine in Win98SE except for one issue. When I was customizing the program it froze and I lost everything. I don't know if the issue is because I'm on '98 but if it is, I found the solution by customizing 1 or 2 toolbars, saving and then closing and opening the program again. I repeated this until I got all I wanted and it seems to work fine.


One most important question: how do we get the program without the 12-01 expiration date? Please, please don't say it's temporary and we can't have it after that :(


Ruth

[Terminator1138]

Well, this goes for all ppl, but what I will saying being a volunteer moderator, is that this program is first release beta.....so ppl should not expect to be fully functional working version without any issues, cuz there is always issues....until final release.

@ruth: :) Im sure the timer is just to aid in seperation of the beta release since beta is only open for a short time...too many copies of a beta version will float around and you want good product/software to be fully implemented...

Its nice to hear nice comments also and what is working just fine along with the bugs:)

[Anemone]

As a long-time (4-5 years) user of 1stPage 2000, I'm delighted that a new release is coming out. I just started using it today, so I'm sure I will come up with more comments and requests over the next few weeks, but here are a few starters:

(1) I like to see both the "Hardcore" toolbar and the "Advanced" palette in the toolbar section. I had set it up that way in 1stPage 2000, but now I can't seem to be able to access both at once in 2006. (I'm sure there's a way, but it would be nice to have it in plain sight.)

Edit: --> Oops, I must have been blind this afternoon. It's in the same place it always was!

(2) In the "List" toolbar of the palette, the buttons for "List Definition", "Definition", and "Definition Term" are still counter-intuitive. When I see a button that is labelled "DT", I expect it to produce the tags <dt></dt>, not <dd></dd>!

(3) I would love to be able to import or copy the applicable preferences from 1stPage 2000, since I have been tinkering with them for many years.

(4) The expanded list of "Instantz Scripts" is nice (very nice!), but many of the previews don't show anything; it would be useful, in the script description, to add any necessary instructions so the user immediately sees what to do to make it work (rather than having to parse the script and puzzle it out).

(5) Some of the icons are obscure and really require looking for the tool tip (e.g., Replace, 1st Transfer, Select Tag, iScripts, various Insert Image icons).

(6) If, like me, you like to keep a pretty wide area for the source and a narrow sidebar, the tabs become messy because of the labels' width; an option to display or turn off tab labels under View/Sidebar Options would be useful.

(7) Speaking of the sidebar, I love the Properties Inspector! This is great stuff.

(8) Of course, I have the same unhapiness that everyone reports about the WYSIWYG tag-replacement phenomenon, but as pointed out earlier, it's the $%*&^ engine's fault.

(9) When inserting the meta tag "description" from the Hardcore toolbar, I'm still getting the incorrect code <meta-http-equiv="description" content="document description"> (with the dash between "meta" and "http").

(10) I would love being able to select what commands to include in the context (right-click) menu. For example, I would like to be able to add the paragraph tag (<p></p>) as a one-click option, rather than the current 3rd-level option (Insert HTML/Format/Paragraph).

As with the previous version, 1stPage is a pleasure to use. I do have MS FrontPage, but I have always loved 1stPage so much more, and I'm delighted to get an updated version. Thanks!

[ruth]

...here are a few starters....

(1) I like to see both the "Hardcore" toolbar and the "Advanced" palette in the toolbar section. I had set it up that way in 1stPage 2000, but now I can't seem to be able to access both at once in 2006. (I'm sure there's a way, but it would be nice to have it in plain sight.)

Click on Options, click Switch to Normal Mode, then go to View and check View Palette and View Hardcore Bar. That puts both across the top.


(6) If, like me, you like to keep a pretty wide area for the source and a narrow sidebar, the tabs become messy because of the labels' width; an option to display or turn off tab labels under View/Sidebar Options would be useful.

For now, I have pulled it loose, resized 1st Page to leave about 6" at the right and moved it there, totally outside, sitting on the desktop. [though it's really not outside, of course, it just looks like it is] The advantages to that are: I can make the side bar 6" and the labels become just a letter; I can save and/or close all pages open and the sidebar remains which it doesn't do when it's docked; closing the program closes the side bar but when you start the program again the sidebar is still at the right. [hope that made sense :)]


(8) Of course, I have the same unhapiness that everyone reports about the WYSIWYG tag-replacement phenomenon, but as pointed out earlier, it's the $%*&^ engine's fault.

If you're using the design view, then before you save your document if you go to Tools/Tidy HTML Quick Tools/Convert Tag Attribute Case/Lowercase it will change them all to lowercase. It's kind of unwieldy, but if you need deisgn view for some reason on something, it does let you put everything back pretty quickly. I tried to find that option someplace where I could put it into one of the toolbars, but didn't see that anyplace.

Hope that helps. I found most of them by accident!

Ruth

[Anemone]

Oh, can I just add that the little bar at the bottom that allows you to select element tags in hierarchic order, and to edit them from the context menu (not sure what the feature is called) is absolutely great? I love it!

[ruth]

What little bar is that?

[Anemone]

What little bar is that?

That one:
http://www.tlucretius.net/albums/toolbar_scrncap.jpg

And by the way, another comment (I believe others have made it, but I want to reinforce): it would nice if closing the document you're working on didn't close blank documents at the same time. I want the code workspace to remain open with a blank page.

[ruth]

I believe that 'bar' is a kind of an automatic context thingee. If you open a blank page, none of that is there because there is no code on the page. As soon as you enter a tag, its related term appears.

As to the other, I don't know what you mean by closing blank documents if you close the doc you're working on. That doesn't happen when I close my working document, if I have a blank open it stays open. If blank documents are closing automatically you might report that under bugs.

Ruth

[Anemone]

I believe that 'bar' is a kind of an automatic context thingee. If you open a blank page, none of that is there because there is no code on the page. As soon as you enter a tag, its related term appears.

Yep, I know. I just love that new feature; it makes it easy to find the ends of tags that cover vast blocks of text, and to apply formatting on the fly.

As to the other, I don't know what you mean by closing blank documents if you close the doc you're working on. That doesn't happen when I close my working document, if I have a blank open it stays open. If blank documents are closing automatically you might report that under bugs.

Ruth

Huh. Interesting. When I close the last "saved" document, 1stPage 2006 also closes any blank documents I had opened, so I lose the workspace and am left with the top toolbar. It's not a big deal in that I can just open a new document again, but it's a little annoying. I do not use the "Launch document manager at startup" option, and I DO use the "Create new [Untitled] document at startup" option. This happens on both computers where I loaded the beta. Comment #52 of this thread seems to report similar issue.

Another small annoyance: some of my context preferences do not seem to be saved from session to session. Specifically, the "Word Wrap" option from the side toolbar of the code area keeps getting de-selected, as does the "Grid Lines On" choice from the context menu (under "Options") in the bottom part of the Explorer tab in the sidebar. The width of the file details columns in the Explorer tab also keep resetting. (On inspection of previous comments, it looks like #38 of this thread reports something similar when it mentions the "Wrap" feature.)

That said, I will definitely be willing to pay (within reason) for the final version -- if only to say thanks for several years of productive use of 1stPage 2000. I learned a lot from using it; it wasn't just an editor, it was a tutorial. :-)

[ruth]

That said, I will definitely be willing to pay (within reason) for the final version -- if only to say thanks for several years of productive use of 1stPage 2000. I learned a lot from using it; it wasn't just an editor, it was a tutorial. :-)

So would I, if they fix the key inoperablity problem. I may have lost the ability to use the program totally if no one has a fix. :( Trying the beta disabled my arrow, del and backspace keys in it and also in 2000. I've uninstalled the beta, no fix, uninstalled and re-installed 2000 and still they don't work. It's not usable without those keys. I don't know what I'm going to do because that is the only editor I use. I even found my old 2000 setup from back in 2002 and tried installing that one, the keys still don't work. I am going to be lost. I don't like any of the programs out there, I've only used 1st Page for years.

Ruth

[Admin]

Go into your registry

HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Software > Evrsoft > 1st Page > Parsers
HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Software > Evrsoft > First Page 2006 > Parsers


Try deleting the parsers entry and reload the editor, it should create new default ones.

[ruth]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I noticed when I got to the registry that there are two entries for 1st Page and 1 entry for 1st page 2006. Is it supposed to have two entries for 2000? I've never done anything in the registry. Should I uninstall and then get rid of the 1st page registry entries and reinstall both?

Ruth

[Anemone]

I tried to set up a project today, but my files never appeared in the list (though the project itself does). My files are situated on a network drive that I have mapped; could that be the source of the problem? Did anyone try the "Projects" feature, and if so, did they have trouble with it?

[marksmind]

I tried to set up a project today, but my files never appeared in the list (though the project itself does). My files are situated on a network drive that I have mapped; could that be the source of the problem? Did anyone try the "Projects" feature, and if so, did they have trouble with it?

I've had the same problem and I'm on a stand alone desktop.

Mark :cool:

[Anemone]

I've had the same problem and I'm on a stand alone desktop.

OK, I'll add this to the bug section of the forum, then. :-(

[paganbabe]

Dear all.
My partner, bless his cotton socks, is in a bit of a panick, he syas his copy of 1stpage 2006 expires in 14 days. What does he do about it? Just let it expire, uninstall it and download a new copy to tide him over till the PROPER release?

Please advise.
Thanks.
Nikki

[ModemGuru]

There is currently no solution at this time that I know of. I believe ALL copies of the beta expire on Dec 1st.

Rule #1: Be wary of depending on beta software to get the job done.

Rule #2: NEVER rely on beta software that expires to get the job done.

If we're lucky though, we'll have a new beta to play with at the end of this month :-)

[Anemone]

On the other hand, he can most likely get the job done with 1st Page 2000, whcih is still available as a free download.

[Gideon]

I just clicked 'Design' because it looked :eyebrow:

Then I saw my source code :grrrr:

I suggest you :shoot: it

Gid

[Gideon]

Can I suggest that a 'title' field be added when inserting images.

alt="Whatever" title="Something else">

Gotta keep Mozilla happy. :)

[garethjmsaunder]

I've been a faithful user of Evrsoft 1st Page 2000 since about 2000. It's the one text editor that I come back to again and again. I've used about every version of Dreamweaver from DW3 to MX 2004 but always returned to 1st Page 2000, or used it alongside Macromedia's monolithic offering. I've introduced countless people to it, and they all love it too.

I was very excited when I discovered that Evrsoft's "First Page 2006" was in time-limited public beta. (Were we emailed about it? I thought that I'd signed up for emails about new releases, etc. Maybe my spam trap got it in Outlook.) Anyway, I downloaded and installed it immediately. I'm checking it out on this system:

Athlon XP 2800+ (2.25 GHz)
1024 MB DRAM
Radeon X700 256MB
Creative SoundBlaster Audigy 2
Microsoft Windows XP Professional
1 x 19" CRT; 1 x 17" CRT both @ 1280 x 1024


=== START UP TIMES ===
One thing I love about 1st Page 2000 is how fast it starts-up: on my system it's about 3 seconds. First Page 2006 takes about 13 seconds to start-up (from clicking the icon to Start Manager finish loading). Will this improve with the final release?


=== GUI ===
I like the updated look. It's still recognisably 1st Page, but modernized. There is a lot of flickering when you resize the whole window. The menus look lovely, and feel so smooth to use.


=== ICONS ===
I have mixed feelings about the icons. Some that have been updated are great, others I feel are now less intuitive than they were previously. A few that stand out:

FILE:
* Start Manager: I immediately thought that this button would affect the layout.
* New Document: cleaner than in 1st Page 2000 -- I like it.
* Open Document: not very clear at 1280 x 1024 but from context I can guess that it is open.

QUICK TOOLS:
* Color Picker: Not as obvious as in 1st Page 2000, which showed an artist's pallete.
* iScripts: Not quite as clear as in 1st Page 2000, which was very obviously a scroll.
* FTP: wouldn't have guessed that's what it was. Sorry.

VIEW:
* Extended Characters: As the CharMap icon now this is much clearer than in 1st Page 2000.
* View Sidebar: looks like it's to do with a palette window rather than a docked one.

STANDARD:
* Image icons aren't quite as intuitive as in 1st Page 2000, IMO.
* Quick Table: surprised that it looks so different to the other table icons.
* The other icons look great, esp. Comment, Div, P and Targets

FONTS
* Most remain the same, but while Strong has remained the same, Emphasize has changed but I'm not sure for the better. I'm not convinced that Strikethrough is quite so clear either.

TABLES
* The default arrangement and design of the table icons has always confused me in 1st Page 2000. Most intuitive for me would be: "quick table, table, th, tr, td" instead of "table, th, td, tr, quick table".
* The icons for th, tr and td aren't very intuitive to my mind. I prefer the newer designs (clearer) but still not as intuitive. The tr simply appears to be a close-up of td. Given that you have LI in the lists tab, perhaps TR and TD would be better here -- or a table grid with an arrow to the left or right of a row.

PHP
* The two comment icons (/* */) and (//) have exactly the same icon! which could be confusing.


=== CUSTOMIZING ICON TOOLBARS ===
I like the ability to customize icon toolbars, which appears similar to 1st Page 2000, and organizing the palette. However, what does annoy me is that if I accidentally click on an empty space on the toolbar the whole toolbar undocks from the window. Any way to lock the position of toolbars?


=== SIDEBARS ===
A shame that you have to resize the sidebar to almost half the screen width to make sense of the tab labels: Explorer, QTags, myAssets, Projects, Reference, Site Tree, Properties Inspector. Perhaps an option to toggle labels on and off would be good. In 1st Page 2000 these were simply icons on tabs at the foot of the sidebar, which worked perfectly for me -- the icons are intuitive too, which makes it all the easier.

EXPLORER
* I love the Explorer from 1st Page 2000. I like the few updates to this. But please, why is there no RENAME function here. That's the one thing that I would use more than anything in this section.

QTAGS
Great. However, why isn't XHTML supported here?! The latest version of HTML supported is HTML 4, which isn't nearly new enough. Besides you have a startup template for XHTML 1.0 and 1.1. I was surprised that XHTML wasn't offered here too.

I love the fact that you can customize these tags, but I wished that it also updated the keyboard shortcuts, eg. I changed <BR> to <br /> but the shortcut key for line-break (Shift + Ctrl + B) still prints <BR>.

There appears to be no way of customizing what tags are assigned to the shortcut keys -- I know that I can change the shortcut keys, but not the tags. If that makes sense.

I don't care much for HTML 2 or 3.2, but HTML 4.01, XHTML 1.0, XHTML 1.1, CSS, PHP and XML would be first class.

What would be really cool would be if First Page recognised from the DOCTYPE what version of (X)HTML to use!

PROJECT MANAGER
Again, the Language Environment doesn't offer XHTML or PHP.

REFERENCE
This appears to offer only HTML 4.0

SITE TREE
I like this a lot. It's a shame that the site tree didn't automatically refresh when I clicked on the tab.

PROPERTIES INSPECTOR
Very nice. A welcome addition. Thank you.


=== BROWSER ===
I love the fact that you can now use a browser engine other than IE. Go Firefox! Thank you so much for this.


=== ONLINE ===
Above the main window space are 5 buttons, the first of which is Source and final is Online. This appears to take me online, but there is no obvious address bar for me to type a URL.


=== COLOUR PALETTE ===
On the right-hand side of the screen is a colour palette. I use this a lot in 1st Page 2000, but ... and it's a big BUT ... could we please have be allowed to enter values in Hex? I mean, I do love my Sharp scientific calculator but it would be so much easier to enter colours in Hex rather than have to convert them every time.

=== CONCLUSION ===
These are the main things, there are probably other bits and pieces. Overall I like it. There have been some great additions -- and I haven't even checked out the Design mode -- but what I'd really like to see is better support for XHTML, CSS2 and PHP.

I don't know if I'm walking into a hornet's nest with this comment, but I wonder if you've considered opening up the development to others too. Mozilla Firefox and WordPress both of which I use a lot appear to have benefitted a great deal from that. Just an idea.

Anyway, keep up the great work. You have a community of supporters behind you.

Sincerely, Gareth

[Gideon]

I see its got 2 icons right next to eachother both doing the same thing. They are 'Full Screen' and 'Show/Hide Sidebar.' Only a small thing but I find superflous buttons a bit annoying.

Oops 3 days till d-day. Better get back to work. :)

[Admin]

Some good news, we've managed to decrease the loading times by a huge factor. Hopefully that'll bring some relief for those who want quicker startup times. :)

And also a big thanks goes out Nicholas at http://www.precisiondocs.com/ for writing the documentation for us. He's done a great job! I'm sure those who are new to First Page 2006 will find it a great resource.

More updates to come.. Keep those posts coming, we read and printout every question/feedback in order to improve on them. Your input is important to us, thanks everyone!

[Trezore]

Well I am down to the last day here and not done with the project I had started working on using this new version. My dilema is what can be done after deadline date? Going back to 1st Page 2000 with the project I am working on will be a pain due to the color formating differences! Will there be an expected release date or some download to push and extend the expire date?

I am so used to this new version now that I rather not have to return to the previous version.

Thanks,
Christian

[bnosam]

Well I am down to the last day here and not done with the project I had started working on using this new version. My dilema is what can be done after deadline date? Going back to 1st Page 2000 with the project I am working on will be a pain due to the color formating differences! Will there be an expected release date or some download to push and extend the expire date?

I am so used to this new version now that I rather not have to return to the previous version.

Thanks,
Christian
When it expires change your system clock back to November 30th. It will work.

[Trezore]

You mean the developers for this won't nerf that?! lol
I was definitely going to try that with fingers crossed!!! Because I seen so many apps with an expire date that work around that system date once expired. Never dug into or wasted time cracking that either ;)

Thanks,
Christian

[Terminator1138]

Its a beta test, its nothing official yet. No sense in trying to crack and its not encouraged here to discuss such things bnosam...

Thank you

[bnosam]

Its a beta test, its nothing official yet. No sense in trying to crack and its not encouraged here to discuss such things bnosam...

Thank you
Sorry about that, many apologies.

[Terminator1138]

not a problem there bnosam...:)
just have to make sure members and visitors here understand that..

[Jonpaul]

Well the 2006 preview was nice while it lasted so, now back to the original, reliable, loveable 1st Page 2000.

Seeya folks.

[Clotho]

I'm suffering from 2006 withdrawal already. :smack: I wanna get my web design freak on, maann.

[Crawdaddy79]

I would have loved to be a part of this beta test. :(

That's what I get for not checking eversoft.com very often.

[paganbabe]

I know It's Christmas, and minds are on other things. But might I inquire when the final release will be launched?

Thank you.

Nikki

[turbo1]

My guess would be to make sure all popup blocking programs are turned off. I am running Windows XP and have used this program for years. I have found it to be one of the most useful programs around. When running this application I often find myself running Dreamweaver MX at the same time and using the two in concert, often switching back and forth. Great progam.

[Terminator1138]

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