When will 1st Page 3.0 be available?

[rubber30]

I have been waiting since 2 years ago!!@#!@# :D

[Admin]

It will be ready this summer holiday! :cool:

[D84_UK]

Being nosy I've got to ask - is it still the same development team, or has the project moved on?

And more importantly - has that #$%~#@ wordwrap bug been eliminated ?!?

[Admin]

Originally posted by D84_UK
Being nosy I've got to ask - is it still the same development team, or has the project moved on?

And more importantly - has that #$%~#@ wordwrap bug been eliminated ?!?

The same team with the addition of a few new members are currently working on the next version.

FYI, the wordwrap bug has been eliminated. :)

[D84_UK]

FYI, the wordwrap bug has been eliminated.
:D

Excellent news... I look forward to downloading the new version!

[Josh]

great! I can't wait of it!:D

[pumpos]

Originally posted by Admin
It will be ready this summer holiday! :cool:

Say when - DATE - We want know date.

kurva fix.

[janetmason]

Originally posted by Admin
It will be ready this summer holiday! :cool:



My next summer holiday is about 10 months from now. When is your summer holiday? I've been creating web pages since 1996 and only found 1st page a couple of weeks ago. I'm really enjoying it!

[boris]

Originally posted by Admin
It will be ready this summer holiday! :cool:

Which year? 2005? ;) :rolleyes:

[austinrock000]

Can you give an approximate date, or at least the percent complete of the project?

[Melysa]

I've been waiting a few years now (is it that long?). Anyway, isn't the company based in Austraila, and the seasons are somewhat opposite of the USA? So, when he says Summer he means a the end of this year?

If I'm wrong, excuse the ignorance. Hehe *hides under a rock*

[austinrock000]

Well, the Admin that said this summer is in the U.S. according to his profile...

[Admin]

Release date: December 2002 or January 2003.

We are working very hard to deliver the next version. Any tips or feature requests should be posted to the appropriate forum area. The new version contains over 100 bug fixes/new features, one of them being the world's first real-time code rendering engine which took ages to be built.

[Josh]

wow!thats cool!
gettig more excited:D

[austinrock000]

Cool...keep us updated on the release cuz I want to download it the day it comes out.

[Melysa]

That makes me happy. I've been waiting patiently forever.

[Josh]

But 1st page means that it's the #1 html editor on the world.:cool:

[EnwTheGood]

Uhh.... what's a "real-time code rendering engine"? Isn't that a "web browser"?

[EnwTheGood]

Oh yeah, and you mentioned on your FP2000 site that you took away the Mini Web Server from FP3. Any chance of that coming back? You guys still using the integrated htmlhelp.com help system, or have you moved onto something a bit more updated? An XHTML help would be very much appreciated.

[EnwTheGood]

Cool beans...

[Rulatir]

Originally posted by dbindel


I've been told by Admin that Evrsoft is working on FP3's "brother" software for power users and that this will have it. See http://developers.evrsoft.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20

Yes, and they run this forum solely to free-harvest the precious opinions and suggestions of web developers, to sniff at the trends, so they can make that commercial "big brother" better. The free FP3 will NEVER see the daylight, promised. Stop dreaming. Nevrsoft has been deceiving us for years now.

[EnwTheGood]

Give 'em some credit. I'm sure FP3 will be out by June 2001 as promised.

[Rulatir]

Originally posted by EnwTheGood
Give 'em some credit. I'm sure FP3 will be out by June 2001 as promised.

ROTFL ;-)))

[Melysa]

lol Funny, but it's not like we're paying them anything, and they probably do this in their free time.

[Delicates]

Originally posted by EnwTheGood
Give 'em some credit. I'm sure FP3 will be out by June 2001 as promised.

I thought it was May 2001? You mean it's being delayed until June? :confused:

[BoR|S]

LOL indeed!

And now more seriously, will FP3 be free or commercial?

Will there be two actuall versions, one free (with less features) and one commercial (with full load of features) or EvrSOFT will stick with making free software for the masses?

[Beer Stud]

I can hardly wait for the new version. I have been using "HTML Kit" which is a surprisingly advanced HTML editor. However, I originally started with 1st Page and I would like to return to it.

Beer Stud (beerstud@rcn.com) :cheers:

[BoR|S]

Heh! Yet another user to use avatar! :D

[Rulatir]

Originally posted by Melysa
lol Funny, but it's not like we're paying them anything, and they probably do this in their free time.

Merely adding up the time I've spent on checking the evrsoft homepage several times a week, it must have amounted by now to some $50 worth of my money earning time. By having tricked me into disposing my time to my disadvantage, they actually owe me this amount. OK, I'm drawing with too thick a pencil this time, but you see the point.

[BoR|S]

You know that there is a small progie called WatzNew that sits in the tray and notifys you when a page is updated...

[enigmatz]

So if you gonna use this cool littl tool only to check if the evrsoft page has updated, than you can surely put any other tool in your tray that just does nothing

[HZR]

Originally posted by austinrock000
Cool...keep us updated on the release cuz I want to download it the day it comes out.
Me too! Really looking forward.

[BoR|S]

Just keep visiting the forum, I'm sure there will be an annoucement on the very moment they will put it on download...

[Sky]

WWstill bugge... and even a little 'cute' proggie beat this... need to clean up the interface... much need be done.... and it's been due that long? Holy****! hurryups!

[viscid]

I hope there is something coming soon, it has been a long time of visiting and seeing no progress!

I love the software and I am looking forward to something. :)

[Waves]

Will this download be freeware/shareware or will it cost money? If it does cost money how much? I'd probably be willing to pay money for the product.

[Sky]

If it costs, i'll just buy dreamweaver.

[Sky]

WEll, that's somewhat of a relef. Although that's still annoying, they have to make money.....

[Maverick]

My question is, is the DHTML builder going to be in the Free or Brother version?

Also I hope that perhaps it will have full PHP support with the code lists such as 2000 had for Javascript.

Otherwise...I just hope it gets done at some point.

[BoR|S]

I usually don't pay much attension to people's signature, but I must agree with dbindel, very nice signature, deep...

[Melysa]

Originally posted by Rulatir


Merely adding up the time I've spent on checking the evrsoft homepage several times a week, it must have amounted by now to some $50 worth of my money earning time. By having tricked me into disposing my time to my disadvantage, they actually owe me this amount. OK, I'm drawing with too thick a pencil this time, but you see the point.

If you're checking back to see if the software has been added to the page, why not just try to subscribe to the mailing list, which will email you when the software is released. So...it will lessen your "earning money time".

If you feel you've been tricked and taken out of 50 dollars, well, it's time to go find another editor because it seems the new version won't be release for some time now? I'm not trying to be snappy here, I'm just trying to give you other options.

[Rulatir]

Originally posted by dbindel
Again, the new 1st Page will remain free. There is ALSO more complex brother software being developed for power users and that will be a commercial product.

In this case the new 1st Page should not be called freeware. This specific kind of software has an accurately describing name in the dictionary - it's feature limited demo, no more no less. I am not opposed to feature limited demos per se, I am only opposed to calling them 'free', because that's a lie. So if Evrsoft admits that the new version is a commercial product, and that there is a feature limited demo available for free, then hakuna matata (but still vaya con Dios, personally).

[HZR]

Whoa... your signature is cool...
Yea, really.:)

[Rulatir]

Originally posted by dbindel
No, it is freeware. The new 1st Page will be free;

Freeware is not just a price tag with $0,00 on it. Freeware means that the authors intend to share the results of their effort with everyone for free. If however the authors actually want to sell the results of their effort (an absolutely legitimate goal by itself), and they give away a feature-limited version the whole purpose of which is to whet the buyers' appetite, then this feature-limited version may not be called freeware. It's only freeware if the aim of eventually getting money from you is not involved there in any way.

Abandon all hopes that FP3 Lite will be a really useful product - if it ever gets released, that is. If I were to release a lite version of my software I would make sure that even with its price tag of $0,00 it still doesn't compete with the real thing. Honesty requires that the potential users be informed that this is the case. That's why a limited version should be called what it is, and not 'freeware'.

[Josh]

I ask you a simple question:
If there was a company called ervsoft(there is). One day it developed a software called "1st page xp" and it doesn't cost any money.Will you call it freeware? you may say:yes
Then another day,ervsoft developed a new software,called it "Big brother" then you said......1st page xp is not a freeware.....

IMO:"Big brother" is advanced "1st page xp",it's adware and "1st page xp" is freeware.
Not:"1st page xp" is limited demo of "Big brother".

[Rulatir]

No, I bet we have a different scenario here. They are primarily developing Big Brother, and the effort of making 1st page xp is limited to thinking what features to disable. What's claimed to be the next version of 1st Page 2000 is technically a downgrade of BigBrother, renamed to 1st Page XP so that the freeware label can be retained. It's not like they first worked on 1st Page XP, then gave it away, then worked even more to make Big Brother and this time they want to sell it. If this were the case, then 1st Page XP could be called freeware.

[HZR]

I'm qouting dbindel here
I'm thinking that it's all based on your perspective here, and we all have different views of the subject.
We all have different perspectives in this.

[Rulatir]

Originally posted by dbindel

[snip]
If you're thinking positively,
[snip]

Yeah, it's a big IF, this one. It's like in 'IF you have a single reason to keep thinking positively about Evrsoft...'

Sincerely,
Szczepan Holyszewski

[SundayNiagara]

I find it hard to believe that Evrsoft won't improve an already great editor.
Mark In Miami

[BigTony]

If BigBro is a whole other title, then 1pXP will be freeware, however if BigBrother is anything like 1p then it's a lite version. Anyway I'd probably end up buying the Pro version anyway, it'd be worth it (for me!).

Did some one say something about ads? I hate ads. Ads are bad! Please don't use ads.

[partypageusa]

can't wait for the new version

[justice]

Horrible...if 1st page gets a limited-feature version, i won't use it!

i have used 1st page 2000 because it was a full featured HTML Editor!

But know I don't only qrite HTML Code! I am coding in PHP and such scripting languages!

and when 1st page will be limited in scripting languages section, i won't use it and prefer tools like phpedit!

[eagle]

Originally posted by Admin
Release date: December 2002 or January 2003.

We are working very hard to deliver the next version. Any tips or feature requests should be posted to the appropriate forum area. The new version contains over 100 bug fixes/new features, one of them being the world's first real-time code rendering engine which took ages to be built.

We will see. Maybe you can write something like "SURELY it will be in december 2002". Because "December 2002 or January 2003 " - it is stil may be yes, may be not. :mad:

Do hajzlu, uz to slibujete hodne dlouho, uz ani neverim, ze z vas neco vyleze a chodim sem jenom ze setrvacnosti. BTW je tady nekdo z cech?:)

[danicasati]

After a lot of announcing (2 years!!), I don't believe in a new release on december 2002.
Why the 1st Page developer's team can't publish a beta version?

[eagle]

Originally posted by danicasati
After a lot of announcing (2 years!!), I don't believe in a new release on december 2002.
Why the 1st Page developer's team can't publish a beta version?

Yes - that is truth - why FP developers do not release beta version like other developers do? For example http://www.htmlkit.com HTML KIT have beta 4 (and it is very good html editor)

[Sky]

Ya... if it is truely to be freeware, Why not beta?

[MikeParent]

Firstly, there sure seems to be a lot of demanding and whining going on here over a *free* product... Is it wrong for these folks to make an upscale version of 1st page and actually attempt to make some cash on all their hard work? If the version 3 were just version 2 with all the bugs fixed I would be a happy camper.

Which leads me to my question... Why on earth would they spend (waste) so much time coding an in-program html renderer, when we have to test on *real* browsers anyhow. I have to wonder how much sooner this would have been completed had they not wasted so much time on such a value-less feature...

[mandville]

of course, i have to ask, will it be available on CD to post? and a suggestion, on the iscript thing, can you set it so that it opens the iscript in a new windows and not close the old one, or is that a wish thing thats not for here....
claire

[Ghandi Eximius]

if the new version doesn't come out soon Im going to crap my pants...I can't wait man!!!

[Ghandi Eximius]

Originally posted by dbindel


Here's the deal, Evrsoft: if 1st Page 3 is not released by January 2003, a LOT of geeks' pants are gonna get crapped in. THAT IS THE RANSOM.

:D


HA!

[dreuby]

Aren't you glad no clever-clogs has developed smell-cards for PC's? ;)

[EnwTheGood]

Originally posted by dreuby
Aren't you glad no clever-clogs has developed smell-cards for PC's? ;)

They did... it's called "DigiScents"

[EnwTheGood]

Heh... self-correction: Sniff Company DigiScents is a Scratch (http://www.thestandard.com/article/0,1902,23654,00.html)

Originally posted by EnwTheGood


They did... it's called "DigiScents"

[Ghandi Eximius]

what do you suppose you would use that for? Its not like they have any DigiSmell compatable sites out there.

[dreuby]

Originally posted by EnwTheGood


They did... it's called "DigiScents"


Pleeeease tell me this is a wind-up! :D

[Ghandi Eximius]

oh it is...(bwahahaha) :p

[BoR|S]

I'm sorry to notice it to you guys (and gals if there any), but seems like this thread became pointless...

Anyway, I'm locking it now, if you think that it shouldn't be locked, pm me with a good explanation why it shouldn't be...