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DCElliott · 02-03-2003, 08:27 AM

Hmmmmm . . .

Ya give them a little help an ya see what happens.

Animgirl, I have a reward for you, click on the picture below to receive it:

[url=http://www.dawnweimer.com/bronze_sculpture/too_big_for_her_britches.html]

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Pretty "cheeky", wouldn't you say?

animgirl · 02-03-2003, 09:13 AM

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SOLD OUT.

Now that's saying something.

Somebody's got a sensitive spot when it come to colors, aye?

Redcap · 02-03-2003, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by Zero Angel
Here is something simple I made that uses a reticle. Feel free to use any ideas from there. I can even upload the .psd file if you want to modify it yourself.

Oooooo! I *LIKE* it!

Zero Angel, mate, you, Sir, are a genuine star! It's just what the Corporal ordered, LOL!

If you wouldn't mind letting me have the PSD file, I'd like it, mate. If you can make sure that the file is compatible with Fireworks 3, that'd help me, too; if not, no probs, as I reckon that I can reverse engineer it easily enough!

Ta muchly in advance

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oooh, me likey.
Iz cool

No kidding!

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What if the center circle were red?

D

I was thinking that myself: Also, I think I'll be adding the line all the way across the page - see? Ideas are flowing already, LOL

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Then it would be the Christmas version

ROFL - I have a Crimbo graphic for that already, lol!

Folks: Many thanks for all the ideas and help: I'll let you all know how it turns out, if you like?

Edited for telling sperrors!

Zero Angel · 02-04-2003, 11:23 AM

Aaaah, thanks for the compliments. However its something that I didnt put too much attention into, for example, the points on the reticle are different sizes (I made it in MS Paint

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The font I used for the second word is called 'Terminator', so you'll probably have to download it if you want to use it in your own art, but I can also include it in a .zip file.

I can also just take the simple reticle and make a black and white copy of it so you can paste and manipulate for your own files.

As for the PSD file, its a Photoshop file, so i'm not sure it will work with fireworks, seeing as Adobe and Macromedia are competing companies..

Redcap · 02-04-2003, 05:29 PM

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Originally posted by Zero Angel
Aaaah, thanks for the compliments. However its something that I didnt put too much attention into, for example, the points on the reticle are different sizes (I made it in MS Paint )

OMG! You're taking your life in your hands admitting that, surely?!

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The font I used for the second word is called 'Terminator', so you'll probably have to download it if you want to use it in your own art, but I can also include it in a .zip file.

I think I've already got it, but thanks for the offer, none the less!

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I can also just take the simple reticle and make a black and white copy of it so you can paste and manipulate for your own files.

NP; I can reverse engineer it in Fireworks just as quickly, I reckon.

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As for the PSD file, its a Photoshop file, so i'm not sure it will work with fireworks, seeing as Adobe and Macromedia are competing companies..

Hmm. I've managed to open PSD files in Paint Shop Pro before now (earlier version PSD files, admittedly), but, given this (and yeah, I agree!), I'll just develop a version of it in Fireworks; shouldn't take too long, anyhow, given the easy concept that you've given me there.

I'm still a little shell shocked at the simplicity and elegance of the logo you've come up with. Chances are, left to my own devices, I would have faffed things up, and produced a rediculously complex and unwieldy design. Damn, these boards are a gold-mine of talent!

It'll be a couple of weeks (well, maybe a month, given the day job, lol) before I have a prototype page incorporating the logo and new look set up but, if you like, I can keep you posted on how things go - and again, Thanks for the leg up and help on this - it's greatly appreciated!

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Redcap · 02-04-2003, 06:47 PM

Right, here's the reverse-engineered Fireworks 3 version, exported to a gif.

The source file, in Fireworks 3 format, including the True Type fonts, is [URL=http://www.practicalairsoft.co.uk/files/new-logo.zip]here (in zip archive format),[/URL] in case you want to play with it some more.

I'll probably wind up adding the glow to the outer ring and spokes, and the spoke leading off to the right.

Opinions are still welcome, by the way!

animgirl · 02-04-2003, 06:54 PM

I don't know if the text looks as good black like that. I think on a web page it would make the logo not as noticeable because the black letters make it look dark.

I dunno.

I think I would almost tend to reverse the colors, black glow (not as drastic though) and lime letters.

I dunno.

Redcap · 02-04-2003, 07:17 PM

Good point; I need to think about that. In the mean time, here's a modification of the design itself. I've changed it to more reflect a 'red dot' style of sight, so as to avoid any possibility of accusations of copy-catting from [URL=http://www.airsoft-guide.com/default.asp]Airsoft Guide[/URL] in the USA...!

Going back to the fonts...

Looking at this, you're right about the black font colour. It *is* too dark. Red is out, as the green glow will cause a conflict of colour painful to the eye (certainly, my eyes, lol), so I need to think about the font colour; you're dead right about the darkness factor. Hmm. How about white, with the green glow? Thoughts on all of this would be welcome, of course

animgirl · 02-04-2003, 07:30 PM

White with a green glow?
Try it

Or lime green-letters with a black glow maybe (just on the text).

Redcap · 02-04-2003, 08:03 PM

Well, the white didn't look right, so I used a really bright lime green, instead. I've also added a bb round zapping off to the right, to emphasise the Airsoft nature of the site. I'm still not too happy with that, though. Thoughts would be appreciated!

Also, the glow, for some reason, has banded quite visibly; I think I'm gonna have to play with the colour depth a bit. Thoughts?

Edit: Anyhow, having woken up earlier at Oh-My-God-O'clock in the small hours (my neighbour's new brat is a loud one when it wakes up - we're *all* losing sleep in this block of flats! ), I'm off to catch another couple of hours sleep, before my day job shift; I'll catch you all later - have a good one, folks!

Redcap · 02-04-2003, 08:27 PM

BINGO!

Always happens. My head hits the pillow, and *BING!* an idea pops in

What do you think now?

Catch you all later!

Zero Angel · 02-04-2003, 10:02 PM

Very nice!

I really like the red dot, but maybe try lowering the glow of the words and of the reticule, and making the color of the text stand out a little less, maybe by altering its hue a little and adding more green.

Redcap · 02-04-2003, 10:39 PM

Thanks!

OK, here's the latest version; I'll incorporate your suggestions when I get home tonight (it's 07:37am here in London!)

In this version, it's a subtle change: I've changes the line to the 'bb' from a 'line' to a polygon, and removed the outer stroke, changing the fill to a gradient, so that the reticule colour fades to the 'bb' colour.

Later!

DCElliott · 02-05-2003, 04:26 AM

In Corel Photo-Paint I have a large number of fractally derived textures available, one of them called "moss" I think the background needs to be textured and moss looks like a wall of fine green foliage. I will post a swatch of it tonight (at work now) and see what ya think.

I think the design is getting there, but would suggest a smaller and sharper edged glow than you have used above. Don't want the design to start lookin 'poufy' do we?

DE

animgirl · 02-05-2003, 06:24 AM

I think what may be missing here is some depth.
Like some drop shadows or defining outlines.

I like the lime green letters, but it might look good if they were outlined thin with black or something.

(DC and I cross-posted, and I agree with his suggestions too!)

Redcap · 02-05-2003, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by DCElliott
In Corel Photo-Paint I have a large number of fractally derived textures available, one of them called "moss" I think the background needs to be textured and moss looks like a wall of fine green foliage. I will post a swatch of it tonight (at work now) and see what ya think.

I'll wait with interest - I had planned to use the photos behind the existing logo, to add depth, but, on reflection, it'll just make it look cluttered and messy, so a foliage-style of background is probably for the best - good idea, and thanks!

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I think the design is getting there, but would suggest a smaller and sharper edged glow than you have used above. Don't want the design to start lookin 'poufy' do we?

DE

most certainly not

Since I've only just got in from work a few minutes ago, it's probably going to be an hour or maybe two, before I get the next version of the logo up (sans foliage background!), so we may wind up posting again within a few minutes of each other.

Redcap · 02-05-2003, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by animgirl
I think what may be missing here is some depth.
Like some drop shadows or defining outlines.

I'm not so sure about drop shadows, with the existing dark background. We'll see how the foliage he's suggesting works, I think, and worry about shadow after that.

Defining outlines, though, is an interesting idea...

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I like the lime green letters, but it might look good if they were outlined thin with black or something.

I'll look into that before posting my next version, then. Thanks for the suggestions!

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(DC and I cross-posted, and I agree with his suggestions too!)

Cool, and so noted!

Redcap · 02-05-2003, 10:17 AM

here's the latest version, less the background that DC mentioned.

I *think* I got everything mentioned thus far in; the lines around the words works, I think; I've reduced the size of the pipper in the reticule, and reduced all glow by around 50 or so percent.

Comments thus far?

animgirl · 02-05-2003, 10:22 AM

It might look good to not italicize the 'practical' but leave 'airsoft' italicized.

I think the outline helps a lot. Makes it kinda pop-out.
I'm still a huge believer in drop shadows

But like you said, it's a good idea to see what DC finds and add that first.

Redcap · 02-05-2003, 12:09 PM

I'm not too sure about that. Ever since Practical Airsoft went live, the masthead has always been capitalised. Maybe it's time for a change, but I'm not sure. I'll play about with it here, and see what results. You never know

I agree with the outlining - it does help to emphasise the text! As to drop shadow, well, I like it as well, but never on a dark background - it looses the effect, IMHO.

In any event, let's see what DC produces for a background image, and move from there.

Later!